Thursday, December 08, 2005

is this what you want with your new laws Johnny?

Another example of the stupidity of the shoot to kill policy.

Bipolar US citizen shot dead by air marshal.

10 Comments:

Blogger Iain said...

But what if he had , as he claimed ,got a bomb ? would you not now be decrying another terrorist outrage ? surely if you talk the talk then expect to walk the walk and wear the consequences. To my mind it proves that the marshal was doing his job within the rules of engagement every one knows that there may be armed marshals on US planes . this case sounds more like a suicide by police gun to me .

3:24 pm  
Blogger Another Outspoken Female said...

Marksmen also know how to shoot to disarm, rather than kill. Sounds like a cheap way to clear up the public mental health budget to me.

3:26 pm  
Anonymous nick said...

Give me a break. Marksmen are not taught to disarm. They are taught to take targets down. Please give an example when talking about marskmen. Note also.. The United States also had a very substantial terrorist attack hit their soil where roughly 5000 people lost their lives. This may have involved the use of Aircraft. Do you remember? Because the Yanks sure do remember here. You might want also want to remember that travelling on airplanes is serious business now. And that things have happened in the past that have demonstrated this fact to us all. I am sorry. He did use the words bomb. He did go for his bag. And I am glad that somebody took action in a heat of the moment situation. And I bet the fella taking the shots was not thinking. I better hit this guy in the leg. He was thinking I have to take this guy down.

2:37 am  
Blogger DJ said...

Now lets see, that has the scorecard at:
1 x Brazilian National shot dead by "Security officers" whilst running late for a train in London

1 x US national suffering from Bipolar disorder by air marshalls.

Yep. Its working. This is definiately what Johnny wants here.

6:29 am  
Blogger Another Outspoken Female said...

Ah DJ you are catching my drift.

Nick. Firstly Sep 11 attack on US soil killed a confirmed 2948 (with a possible total 2996). Yes that's a quibble. It is far too many people whatever the number. However you have done a great example of the exageration that tends to occur when people talk about any emotive event. I do not condone the terrorism and other killing under other guises.

Marksmen do have the ability to shoot to disarm. That was the way the police at least, were trained for many years before shoot to kill became policy. Oh and before that we had whole heap of other non violent strategies to deal with armed confrontation.

Keeping a nation in a state of fear is the most powerful weapon of political control. Many attrocities have now occured in the name of fear and revenge since 2001.

8:32 am  
Blogger Iain said...

Marksmen do have the ability to shoot to disarm. That was the way the police at least, were trained for many years before shoot to kill became policy. Oh and before that we had whole heap of other non violent strategies to deal with armed confrontation.
you have NO idea of the realities of the situation do you ? If some one was carrying a bomb they would still be able to detonate it after a non fatal hit and there goes a plane full of people , and don't forget that an areoplane in in essence a big bomb full of thousands of kilograms of aviation kerosene just a small explosion from a backpack very quickly becomes a very big bang .
And you advocate a non leathal response by air marshals ?
Wake up forget the conspiricy theorys there are people out there who are willing to kill indiscrimately they think it will buy them a place in heaven and they are not the police or the air marshals .

10:06 pm  
Blogger Armagnac Esq. said...

="Marksmen are not taught to disarm. They are taught to take targets down."=

Oh, glad that's cleared up.

="you have NO idea of the realities of the situation do you ?"=

Clearly not, but as there's a fucking expert on site who witnesses training of marksmen first hand and has resolved multiple bomb threats in person, we'll all be wiser soon.

ASFem, the only thing they can't kill is Osama Bin Laden...

12:47 am  
Blogger guru Rex said...

All this discussion is missing the point. If we are really serious about the terrorist threat that puts all our lives and freedoms at risk we need to act decisively. An armed air marshal on every flight is obviously inadequate against the level of real threat we all face. The only reasonable solution is that every passenger, excluding first class of course, of both domestic and international flight must be subject to extraordinary rendition to a third country able to carry out a proper CIA interrogation. Each of these passengers should then be beaten to death as specified in the CIA handbook prior to being allowed to board their flight. This will eradicate any further terrorist threat from the sky.

9:27 am  
Anonymous Condoleeza Rice said...

Hey Guru, I like where you are coming from. In fact, we have discussed the policy you proposed but as we are a caring government we have decided on a more humane approach.

As of Janurary 1 2006, all passengers travelling in our airspace must do so naked with no carry on luggage. We feel this will adequately allow passengers to travel in comfort without the fear of concealed explosives. Of course if any wires are seen protruding from a body oriface, then Air Marshalls are indeed allowed to blow the shit out of the sucker.

Have a nice day.

10:31 am  
Anonymous George W. Bush said...

Condi, what the hey you say'n girl!!

Every woman on her rags will have the shit blown out of them if we follow your plan, what with them thar tampon strings hang’n down between the fillies legs. Not that I have a problem with the murdering abortionist sluts being pre-emptively stopped from killing more unborn children.

OK then, we'll do it your way.

God bless America

10:37 am  

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